I own both, the Sig P365 since April, 2018 and the Hellcat since this Oct. Springfield Armory Hellcat vs Sig Sauer Now the Sig P365 is almost perfect, it has to be said, so it’s going to be a tall order to be quantifiably better in any one area. That’s almost grasping at straws here, really, to find any meaningful difference in the shooting experience between these two guns. Good work SIG, as I would probably buy the P365 package today. This is the first time I have held and shot the gun although I have watched many videos. It truly feels like an extension of your arm. Not to mention no mag disconnect on the G2C…. Absolutely hate the goofy U-Notoch sights on the Hellcat. The P365 is a great fit for me and it checks all the boxes; 10+1 9mm, fits in pocket, great sights, reliable as all get out, outstanding trigger, and no thumb safety for me. (Jeremy S. for TTAG). P365 left, Hellcat right (Jeremy S. for TTAG). First, I really think Sig can revisit the finish that comes on their magazines. I've thought about getting another R5 and spending some time with my Dremel tool to get it to fit the contours of the Hellcat trigger guard. Amiright? We have that law because the gun owners in Illinois did not strongly support Gov. However, a couple of months after the “Gen 2” (as many Sig fans call it) came out, a couple of users started posting things on social media and forums claiming that the was “primer drag.”. Springfield Armory Hellcat OSP Review Handguns Springfield Armory Hellcat OSP Review Patrick Sweeney - August 12, 2020 In the golden age of daily carry options, the Springfield Armory Hellcat … This laser can also be seen for a full mile in darkness and is perfectly visible at 25 yards in bright daylight. Sig Sauer P365 vs Springfield Hellcat. Rapid fire still brings the group in around the bullseye. When firing the gun, the trigger is nice and crisp with a very nice reset. However, the price implies that it’s anything but that. Importing crap. Extremely good. In this video, Allen compares the all-new Hellcat handgun from Springfield Armory with the very popular Sig Sauer P365. blog.cheaperthandirt.com There are likely others I am not aware of or have forgotten about…. Speaking about value, did you guys mention the cost of the magazines of the Sig VS. the Hellcat and the fact that the Hellcat comes with the high-cap mag, where as the sig does not. Some people just don’t like the feel or look of a Glock. I just emailed two videos to them showing it failing to feed and they tested it with Federal HST JHP and it does feed that flawless as I tested myself. If you are going to use cost of a gun == how much your life is worth argument, why are you trusting your life in a $500 SIG when you could be trusting your life in a $10000 super custom 1911? In regard to the TCP’s, they are sweet little pistols. However, it can adjust and will take into consideration the user’s body type, tactics and personal preferences for where you desire to carry it . I actually import rare/interesting small arms every year or two, SS bringing added scrutiny and cost is UNFORGIVABLE. I know this is an older thread, but having just purchased a Hellcat, I think the review overlooked a rather obvious advantage of the Hellcat over the P365, & that’s the volume of room in front of the trigger. After about 200 rounds it now takes between 30 and 40 trigger pulls to fire 10 rounds. Rinse and repeat a half dozen times. This is where the rubber really meets the road. Feeds the Hornady Critical Duty 135 gr +P’s I carry without a hiccup. Somehow the backstrap on the Springfield ends up longer than on the SIG but the frontstrap ends up shorter. Aftermarket triggers, customized grip-modules, and lights/lasers are available. Finally, when statistically gun battles end after 3 shots (or less) and with the extremely small chance anyone will get in a gun battle defense situation (unless you are seeking that opportunity), it makes that extra round inconsequential in a self defense gun. As far as Micro Compacts go, I only ever carry them in summer otherwise I’m carrying the XDM Compact .40 with the 16 round extended mag. For all the people that want to go ahead and criticize the lower cost weapon go ahead. Literally the same dispersion in the same place, with a few more enlarging that center hole. We cut them all up after the court cases were adjudicated. Namely, the Hellcat has a marginally wider magazine well with a more pronounced taper/funnel around the perimeter. Width: 1″ MSRP: $569 (Std), $599 OSP (OSP) model – $499 and $529 retail, Height: 4.3″ We are going to send it back. No Springfield for me ever…I’m OK with my lowly Taurus 709 for now. I preferred the all-black rear sight and eye-grabbing front sight setup of the P365 to the Hellcat’s white U-notch rear and eye-grabbing front. Seriously, the P365 is one of our absolute favorites. For those that still harp on the “Would you trust your life to a Taurus” bandwagon, you buy what you want and I’ll but what I want. Concealing a gun can be a hassle, but it doesn’t have to be. Being that it is our editors choice, we liked the fact that it doesn’t take up a lot of room without any cramping of the fingers or loss of space around the knuckles. 12/15 rounds. What We Don’t Like About the Hellcat: Our number one concern is the price. The Hellcat’s look good but they’re so dang shallow they’re approaching aesthetic in nature only. Not really interested in the Hellcat …because SA. I carry one daily and shoot it weekly with no malfunctions to date after a couple of years. If you’d like to get started cleaning your gun, here is the recommended cleaning kit for the p365: When Sig Sauer came out with their first ever subcompact pistol, the initial run had problems. So…can the Hellcat do the same to the P365? That being said, I won’t ever bash Taurus people, or even Hi-Point people, because I used to be poor, so I know what it’s like. Now, let’s get down to business. This isn’t a negative, though, as it fills up a dude-sized hand better and is perfectly comfortable. After all, we’ve already seen the release of the Glock 43x and Glock 48 . We put it though gun hell, still functioned. However, our long-term conclusion is that either Hellcat bests the original P365 and currently offers the better value for a defensive carry pistol — red dot or not. The Springfield Armory name is forever stained and nothing can change that. But I DO like the tac-light, that thing is like daylight! You’ll feel confident that you are in complete control of the weapon when you handle it. It was a small, pocket, no name, no serial, Russian pistol. We think that this is the ultimate CCW gun and it is truly “pro-grade” – and for less than $500 street price, we think it’s a great value. By that statement, you can tell I love a 1911, either in 45 acp or 9 mm, one is even a .22 LR. Also, trigger dingus. So you talk about reliability and the conveniently ignore problems with reliability by calling them “growing pains” when it’s a brand you like? My brand new Sig P365 would fail to go into battery, maybe every other magazine, the bullet jamming at the bottom right of the feed ramp. Thankfully the state of California will keep these unsafe firearms away from us civilians, so I won’t have to worry about purchasing either of them – heaven forbid an ELEVENTH round I a magazine (I mean who needs that many bullets?!). Then Sig brought out the P365 XL. They are almost identical in size and weight and the capacity is similar: But which one should you buy? https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/sig-sauer-p365-vs-cz-p-10-s. Posted on the wrong part of this thread; apologies. Three of the small gun shops that I used to shop at south of the state capitol are gone because of them. How can that possibly make you feel better about patronizing Springfield? That’s nothing to sneeze at in a segment made hugely popular exclusively because of increased capacity over the competition. Inexpensive and Light but that’s where the goodness ends. The P365 and Hellcatboth offer doublestack capacity in a package the size of a single stack. Springfield Armory Hellcat Review [2020]: Is It Worth It? G&A seems to have an opinion, where USC didnt. " Both pistols have excellent triggers. Don’t let anyone put you down for the Taurus mfg.. The P365 feels softer because of it’s obviously lower bore axis. In a higher priced firearm we expect the fit etc. It does seem thay I might be putting my Shield and Glock 26 up for sale. Not hugely stiffer, but it’s very clearly noticeable. SEE PRICE, Here is your standard pocket holster. Aging eyes. 365XL. Among other firearms I’ve got Taurus’ .38 snub, a Judge (great on woods tromping jaunts with .410’s for snakes), and two TCP’s. They say it slide locks up and takes lots of force to break it free. Another advantage is that if I have to use my low-price Taurus for a self-defense shooting and the cops impound it as evidence, I can get another one for not much money. (Shout-out to Springfield Armory!). This impressive feat is a combination of managing gun and magazine size. But that’s all until the head-to-head comparison post later this week. Possibly one of the two will print more at a certain angle or when carried in a certain location and the other wouldn’t. Hard to say why, but there was a just-noticeable increase in sharpness with the Springfield. The p365 is about the same size as a g43. Also, has a strong lightweight design and overtime will conform to your firearm with your body heat and use. These provided a great grip option without a red dot optics system. Out of 5 SPRINGFIELD’s with thousands of rounds never had a single failure. What I don’t understand is this large sector of posts that always criticize the lesser cost weapon. The P365 does have both 12 and 15 round magazines. The responsibility is ours. A company screwing it up for the little guy need to be ignored. I shoot tens of thousands of rounds every year and do not discriminate regarding which pistol I take out any particular day. Love the photos! But it lacks that top tier feel we’ve come to expect from Sig. I know most people will agree. For now, suffice it to say that the new Springfield Armory Hellcat does everything the SIG P365 does (and gives you one more round while doing it). Heck I’m still pissed at Smith for the Clinton deal. I loaded them put and compared them side by side from every angle and although the hellcat seems marginally thicker Tags: hellcat, P365, Sig Sauer, springfield armory In this episode of TFBTV, James Reeves reviews the new Springfield Hellcat and compares it to the SIG P365. Compare the dimensions and specs of Sig Sauer P365 and Springfield Hellcat Micro Compact The nice version would be electoral colleges per each state. Just something for old ladies to bicker about in reference to their toys. aesthetically the 365 is more pleasing. Yes, I would trust my life to a Taurus. I shot a magazine through my SIG, then a mag through the Springfield. That said, I got an XL grip module for my P365 and carry it that way. Yes, something like that matters. So it takes a little more force to rack the Hellcat’s slide and it has some of the least effective slide serrations going. To me, trigger is the single-most important factor in a firearm, and IMHO, Sig produces the BEST factory trigger out of the box. I heard there was somebody trying to give the Shield treatment to the Shield (heh) but I’m not sure how much they can actually do. I also think it’s much to do about nothing in practical terms (barring extremes). Sig Sauer P365 10 round extended magazine height: 4.5"; 12 round extended magazine height: 4.7"; 15 round extended magazine height: 5.5"; Compare More Suggested Comparisons compare compare Taurus G3c vs … The Springfield is boxier. Yelp .. right there with you on this one .. probably hit the range that’s my therapy!. Ryan is a former special operations sniper (1/75 Ranger) and current firearms attorney, firearms industry executive, university lecturer, and bestselling author of the Long Range Shooting Handbook. And BTW I consider all of those firearms and manufacturers that I listed above as “reliable” and would trust my life to all of them. The Hellcat has 11+1 capacity with flush fit vs 10+1 with the p365, the magazines are cheap (18-25 bucks for the 11 and 13 round mags). So it’s probably as reliable as the SIG. If you would test some with the Sig ammo and see how it goes as like to know if mine is a one off vs. a common problem they have being finicky with some ammo. The DAO trigger is crappy enough even if you didn’t have a pinky dangling and I use an oiled Q-tip on the feed ramp every 50rnds or so, or even 115gr fmjs will fail to feed. But I DO like the tac-light, that thing is like daylight! Retired Police Colonel; I encountered many types of handguns over the years. Lots of commenters requested photos of one gun on top of the other, but their silhouettes are so darn close there’s very little to see. As for lasers, I’m not much of a fan, however, I know a lot of friends prefer them. The guns display many other comparisons and contrasts as well. So if you’ve been up-to-date on Springfield Armory, you probably well aware of the teasers they were sent out prior to the release of the new Hellcat. I agree with the softer shooting feel of the P365. If you find one and want it added, contact us. Piss on Springfield. Springfield Armory reached out to Gun U’s Ryan Cleckner and sent a sample for us to review. The P365’s 12-rounder, however, is of the flawless extension variety with a forward-angled pinky ledge that feels great and a curved, backstrap-matching rear portion. That’s easier to say than do. Price is secondary, but in my case low price (my Taurus was $239) was attractive, and if the pistol hadn’t been reliable, I wouldn’t have been out much money. It’s just like cars – both a VW bug and a Jaguar XJ12 will reliably get you from point A to point B – it just depends on what bragging rights you want to go with it. After shooting, carrying and living with the […] Factory 12 round flush fitting magazines are readily available, and cheap in price compared to other manufacturers. I’d probably still carry the LCP 2 most often though because it’s so easy and comfortable to carry and I’ve gotten fairly good at shooting it. The Springfield is boxier. Check the Sig P365 XL when you rack the gun (empty) and dry shoot hold the trigger and try to rack the slide again to test the reset. And yes, I bought both. Look below to see our take and reviews on what we think…you might be surprised! We took it to the range and tried to get it NOT to work. As far as I’m concerned, I think that Springfield needs to produce a 10 round magazine for those of us that travel from state to state. The Glock 26 is out. Where there are differences, they’re dang small ones. The trigger on the Hellcat is good, but it’s not great. Weight will vary based on which mag you use, but for this example, it’s with the gun’s flush-fitting magazine. The Glock 26 is out. by Ryan Cleckner Feb 17, 2020 3 comments 4.6 (11). I can shoot this little gun MORE accurately than my full-size guns. Thanks for the comparo Jeremy. The imitation of both to the original is a form a flattery but kinda sad that they can’t come up with anything on their own. I’ve owned many 9mm: Springfield (XD Mod2, XDS Mod2), Glock (G19, G43), HK (P30SK, VP9), Walther (PPQ, PPS M2), and Sig (P320C, P320SC, P938, P229, P226, P365). Sig had a year headstart and blew it. It’s 5.8 inches long with a 3.1-inch barrel. Not the guns or the car. Assuming for the moment that your take on SA and the Dealer Licensing Bill was, in fact, accurate, and the solution was to punish them for it, what manufacturers are there left to buy from? This IWB design allows the user to carry their firearm primarily appendix, which I prefer. I know which brand more experienced shooters are going to choose the majority of the time (365’s initial release growing pains aside). I have a Taurus G2 that I’ve put probably 2000 rounds through. When using the extended (our preferred choice), you’ll receive 12+1. We have a huge plantation of D voters in Chicago, both home grown and imported. Keith. Felt great in my hand. Went bang every time. I bought a 365 and out the Sig laser on it. This was a pretty tough battle. Never seen a high end 1911 malfunction either (cuz of course you get what you pay for). SA and SS can jam it IMHO. Building junk. Had both and sold the little one. Not helping matters is the fact that the Hellcat has a stiffer recoil spring. Enough has pretty much been said…the clear winner is the Sig Sauer P365. I feel like it would be easier to fire for those with smaller hands, but it’s still rugged enough for those of you with bear paws. We also feel that the trigger could have been much better. 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